Amnesty scheme, Registrar of Firms

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The Government should come out with an amnesty scheme for all defaults in registration of partnership firms with Registrar of Firms.

Why an amnesty?
Under the Indian Partnership Act, 1932 (as is applicable in Maharashtra and consequently in Mumbai) registration of a partnership firm with Registrar of Firms (ROF) is compulsory. There are very drastic effects of non-registration. For example, if a partnership firm is not registered, it cannot file a suit against any one!

Additionally, almost every change in information submitted to the ROF must also be registered. For example, if a new partner is admitted or a partner retires or a partner changes his residence, ROF must be informed within a prescribed time. There are monetary penalties for delay in submitting initial application of registration and also for delay in submitting any other information later on.

There are plenty of firms who have not been able to comply with their obligations. This may be due to ignorance, inability or unwillingness :roll: of partners.

Who benefits out of this?
Its a win-win situation for both the partners/firms and the government!

Its beneficial to partners/firms because it will help them sort out their registration mess. It will give them an opportunity to save themselves from drastic consequences for small defaults.

Its beneficial to government because it will generate additional revenue as fees! There are people who are not coming forward because of penalty, but they will see this as an opportunity and willingly pay some fees. Additionally, it will also help in updating the records of Registrar of firms. If the records are not proper, they are somewhat useless!

Will the government ever wake up to this need?

36 Responses to “Amnesty scheme, Registrar of Firms”

  1. Anand(mail2and) Says:
    Actually, you can sue under the Indian Partnership Act, 1932… but only upto a value of Rs 100 :d

    I don’t know when they will update these laws.

  2. Anand(mail2and) Says:
    Oops.. i meant you can sue as an un-registered firm…. i.e. either a claim or an off-set not exceeding Rs 100
  3. Ashish Says:
    So thats like not being able to sue! :)

    For Rs. 100, now-a-days people don’t even pick a street fight :roll:

  4. Anand(mail2and) Says:
    yeah that’s why I said they need to seriously review stuff… prime example is how Dhariwal got a bail in the guthka case where the gutkha was contaminated.. the bail amount was only Rs. 1000… 1000 rupees might hve been a lot in 1986 when the Consumer Protection Act was enacted, but today it is peanuts.
  5. Abhay Pingle Says:
    How to check whether a particular firm is registered or not, if the partners are not willing to provide registration certificate, before any contract.

    How we will know the particulars of changes made, if any, without being informed by the existing partners.

    If the firm is not registered, in what name the third party can sue - in partners name or in firms name.

    What precautions to be taken from legal angle before signing any contract with such firm - i.e. whether it is registered or not, is not clear at the time of contract.

  6. Ashish Says:
    As an outsider, a person need not worry too much about whether the firm is registered or not! If the partners say its registered, you assume it to be registered. You can try to get a written communication for the purpose. But if it is not there, it does not harm you much. If you find later on that its not registered, they can be tried even for fraud and/or misrepresentation.

    If you need to sue them, you can sue them in the name of the firm and make all or some of the partners parties to the suit. If it turns out that its not a registered firm, you still can continue the suit against the individual partners and also the firm which can be treated as Association of Persons (AOP).

    Non-registration or improper registration is deterimental to partners and the firm not others! Default of partners in registering cannot work against an innocent outsider.

    Unlike Registrar of Companies (ROC), the records of Registrar of Firms (ROF) are not open to public. So you cannot particularly have a look at the partnership deeds on records of ROF and cannot find out the particulars of the changes made. However, you can still visit the offices (which in Bandra in Mumbai) and find out the information that you require. Inspection of some of the information is allowed on payment of some fees (I think Rs. 20).

    But the changes are of no importance to an outsider simply because the partnership has unlimited liability. If the partnership assets are insufficient to pay the debts, personal assets of partners can be used.

    Rules are more stringent and public is given access to some more documents at ROC because a company is a separate entity with a limited liability. If the assets of the comapny are insufficient, you can’t look towards the personal assets of its shareholders. However, people now take personal bonds of directors in some of the cases. Most recent and famous incident that comes to my mind is that of Amitabh Bachchan. He personally paid all the liabilities of AB Corp. because he had signed personal bonds.

  7. Dinesh Gupta Says:
    Where is ROF office is located in Mumbai.
    How to get certified copy of registration of a registered firm.
  8. Ashish Says:
    ROF offices in Mumbai are located at Bandra (E) near Chetana College. Labour Court is in the same building as ROF.

    For certified copy of registration certificate, you will have to go there and apply for it. You may even take inspection on payment of a small fee (I think, Rs. 20). If you don’t know the registration number, they will help you out with their indexes. They can be quite friendly (for obvious reasons) :)

  9. natekar Says:
    Dear sir,
    Can any one confirm the process and cost , to close a partnership firm , registered in mumbai in year 1996
    I want to change to properitorship company
    you can speak to me pune, 9822017010
    natekar
  10. Ashish Says:
    Cost depends on the assets of the firm. Is there any immovable property in the name of the firm? If yes, how was it bought? Who is taking over it now? What other assets are there? How are they divided? Is it a dissolution by choice or by operation of law?

    These are some of the factors that decides the stamp duty on the dissolution deed. It may even need Registration. No one can confirm the cost without knowing the facts and your terms of dissoution. Its pretty subjective.

  11. Dr. seema khot Says:
    Dear sir,
    I have applied for registration of Partnership Firm on 13/03/06 vide receipt no. 079746 . while submitting the application form, the necessary documents were scrutinized by the concerned clerk . We were called on 27/04/06.When our representative was sent on 03/05/06 , the registration certificate was not ready and we were asked to come next week. On 19/5/06 our representative again visited your office and that time we got information that there was some objection in our documents submitted to you. However, to know what query is , we are asked to visit your office again.

    Sir, would you please tell us when we would be able to get correct information, does it solely depends upon the whims of the concerned clerks? Is there no value of the time and energy of the commoners?

    I am writing this with optimism that , note of my complaint will be taken by you.

    Yours truly,

    Dr. Seema Khot, Partner
    New Horizons International

  12. Ashish Says:
    Dear Dr. Khot,

    I think you have posted your query on the wrong site! This is not the official ROF site, but a blog!

    You are advised to take help of a professional legal consultant handling partnership work to solve your matter. There are various “formalities” :roll: that are required to be fulfilled before a registration certificate is issued.

    Regards.

    Ashish Mehta.

  13. CHACHA INC Says:
    WHETHER THIS NAME IS AVAILABLE
  14. Ashish Says:
    There is no question of availability of name in case of partnership firms. There can be many firms of the same name.
  15. narendra gokani Says:
    1) kindly let me know the amount of stamp paper that is required to form a partnership deed.

    2) in case of minor partners can the guardian be the partner alongwith the minor in both the capacity as guardian as well as partner

    thank you

  16. Ashish Says:
    1. Stamp duty depends on the total capital contribution of partners. As on today in Mumbai, minimum is 500, maximum 5,000. For every 50,000 (or part of 50,000) capital contribution, you have to add 500 to stamp duty. So if total capital contribution is Rs. 125,000, stamp duty will be Rs. 1,500.

    2. In my humble opinion, you need at least 2 major individuals to form a partnership. Minors can be “admitted to a partnership” for profits. Minor (or anyone on his behalf) does not sign a partnership agreement. No liability can be foisted on him and a minor can only be a partner in profit.

    Regards.

    Ashish Mehta

  17. rakesh didwania Says:
    what r the requirements for registration of partnership firms? (except partnership deed)
  18. Ashish Says:
    For registration, you will need to file the following (as on January 2007):

    1. Covering letter with a Rs. 5 court fees stamp
    2. Form A. It must be properly filled and notarised.
    3. Blank Stamp Paper of Rs. 20 for an extract.
    4. Certified Copy of Partnership Deed.
    5. Certified Marathi Translation of the Partnership Deed.

    Regards.

    Ashish Mehta.

  19. rakesh didwania Says:
    BUT I DIDNT GET FORM A. CAN U HELP ME?
  20. Ashish Says:
    In Mumbai, you can go to a shop called TaxPrint in Fort area for Form A.

    Regards.

    Ashish Mehta.

  21. Ritu Says:
    Hi Ashish,

    Your bolg is really useful for us. Me n my husband are starting a new Co. I have some queries:

    1. Covering letter with a Rs. 5 court fees stamp-how do we pay this court fees stamp?
    2. Form A. It must be properly filled and notarised.-wht do you mean by notarising?
    3. Certified Copy of Partnership Deed & Certified Marathi Translation of the Partnership Deed-Is it compulsory to submit the deeds?
    4. Wht is the procedure for registration of proprietorship Co?

    Thnx n Rgds,

    Ritu :?:

  22. Ashish Says:
    Hi Ritu,

    Glad to know you found it useful :smile:

    1. You can buy court fee stamp for Rs. 5. They are similar to postal stamps. Stick them on the letter.
    2. Notarising means that all the partners have to sign the form in front of a notary. The notary will put his seal, signature, stamp, etc. and take some charges. He may insist on some identity proof.
    3. It is compulsory to submit the deeds
    4. There is no need to register a proprietorship concern anywhere. Just open a bank account and you are through. Unlike partnership firm which is treated as a separate identity for income tax, sales tax, etc. the income from the proprietory concern is added to the income of the proprietor.
  23. nysa Says:
    Hi Ashish I am impressed you are doing real good job hope you’ll be of help to me too.
    1. I want to start a small partnership music firm.I will be byuing and selling and producing records do I need to get soem kind of license to do that if yes do I need to attach with partnership deed or register it if yes where do I do that?
    2.I will be selling my product abroad do I need special Export import licene can I obtain that having a firm under partnership deed if yes where can I get and do that?
    3.if there any number of yours where I can reach you?
  24. nysa Says:
    oh yes I forgot to ask….
    If I have entered into agreements with singers composers or other companies do I have to attach that with partnership deed (my agreements with them are on 2 individual basis and I want to use those agreement for new firm too) or if I enter later do I have to register those agreements too if yes where do I do that ?
    thanks
  25. Ashish Says:
    Hi Nysa!

    Here’re answers to your questions.

    1. You have to enter into a p’ship agreement and get it registered with Registrar of Firms. You don’t need to attach any other agreements with it. You also have to get PAN (Permanent Account Number for Income Tax), TAN (TDS account number) and VAT (Value Added Tax i.e. Sales Tax) registration numbers. You may also need Service Tax registration, but it depends on what you actually do and it is rare that someone needs VAT and ST both.
    2. You need to get Import-Export license. I think RBI will be able to give you more information on this.
    3. I have emailed you my contact info.
    4. All previous agreements with singers/composers were in individual capacity. Partnership is a different entity. If you want p’ship firm to continue with those contracts then you have to enter into fresh contracts with them. There is no need to register these contract anywhere. However, they shall be liable to stamp duty. Amount of stamp duty depends on the terms of the contracts.

    Hope I have given all answers.

    Regards.

    Ashish Mehta.

  26. sheetal Says:
    hi ashish,
    i wud be forming a partership firm for carring out investement related activities. can u pls tell me the legal formalities for formation of the firm. plus documentation for opening bank account and filing of returns. and other legal formalities if my activities involve brokerage too. thankyou for providing us a platform to ask our querries
  27. Ashish Says:
    Hi Sheetal!

    First step is to get into a partnership agreement and apply for PAN in Income Tax with form 49A. You should get your PAN within a month.

    Simultaneously, apply for registration in registrar of firms. You don’t need PAN there. I have already specified above about what you need for ROF registration. Also get a rubber-stamp of your firm.

    As soon as you get your PAN, apply for a bank account. If the bank is willing, then you may be able to open the bank account even with a copy of PAN application.

    With your PAN in hand, you will have to apply for TAN (TDS Account Number) in Form 49B and also Service Tax Registration in form ST1.

    You have to file your Income Tax and Fringe Benefit Tax return once in a year, but pay advance tax 3 times in a year. There is no separate registration for FBT. Returns are filed with PAN and along with Income Tax return.

    You have to file TDS returns 4 times in a year. Service Tax returns have to be filed twice in a year but service tax has to be paid 4 times in a year.

    You can get PDF of all forms on various government websites.
    http://incometaxindia.gov.in/allforms.asp
    http://www.servicetax.gov.in/st-formmainpg.htm

    You can also have a look at my other post
    Starting a new venture in India

    Regards.

    Ashish Mehta.

  28. samir Says:
    what is the penalty for delay in registration
  29. manish jain Says:
    ashish,

    thanks so much, i was planning to create a partnership, but after reading about the unlimited liability i think a pvt ltd, is the way to go.

    great blog by the way.

    take care,

    mrj

  30. Ashish Says:
    Thanks for the appreciation. :)

    Besides limited liability there is one more advantage of a limited company.

    All outsiders perceive you as a bigger entity, whether actually you are bigger or not. Try to take finance for business from a bank as a partnership firm and as a limited company. Financers are more willing to lend to companies than firms or individuals. ;)

  31. Vivyek Rai, Rai-Dixit Consultancy Says:
    Dear Mr. Ashish,

    You provide real helpful tips/information through this blog. It has been a great help in understanding the registration process.
    Many of the points for registering partnership firm are pretty self-explanatory.
    A little more guidance that we need is:
    We are M/s. Rai-Dixit Consultancy engaged into Consultancy & Solutions for Feature Film, TV, Media, Add-Agency, Firms. Especially for Artists, Technicians, Producers, Directors & Celebrities. This includes solutions based on Face Reading, Astrology, Numerology, Vaastu, etc. etc.. My Partner Dr. Dixit (Ph. D) is quite well known for his research work in astrology.
    We are also providing services for Astrology, Numerology, Vaastu and Spiritual to many leading Mobile service providers all over India (these are the services when you call for Astrology from your cell phone.)
    Now we are being invited by state owned (Government) Mobile & Internet service providers. These govt. organizations from various states have asked us to get our organization registered and provide then with our firm registration number that they say is different from partnership reg. no.

    Could you please guide us on this matter.

    If you are providing services like various registrations – partnership deed, firm reg, PAN, TAN, Service tax & others including regular tax related dealings etc…

    Please provide your contact details for the same. Your help will be highly appreciable.

    Very best
    Vivyek Rai

  32. Sagar Phadke Says:
    Hi,
    This is very helpful blog. I was looking for some sitations of cases where penalty u/s 69A of Partnership Act is reduced or compounded. In my clients case RoF is having high handed approach and asking to pay hefty penalty for 3 defaults counting the days independently. The firm had suo motto sought for recording of changes. Pls email me at sagar.ca@rediffmail.com
    Regards and Best of Luck,
    Sagar Phadke.
  33. KARAT Says:
    Ashish,

    Is limited liability partnership constitution available in india? what r the advantages & disadvantages?

  34. Ashish Says:
    Hi Karat,

    As on today, a limited liability partnership is not available in India. I have been hearing/reading about this since quite some time (about 2 yrs) that it is coming soon. But there have been no concrete progress on that.

    Since it is not been implemented, I really have nothing to offer in terms of advantages or disadvantages. From the basic premise, it sounds to be a very interesting concept - something which will strike the right balance between a limited company and a partnership. I hope the draftsmen do some good job. Bad drafting is always followed by plethora of amendments and a lot of time+money wasted in litigation.

    Regards.

    Ashish.

  35. padamraj Says:
    hi guys,
    can you give me the url of the registrar of firms, maharashtra

    regards

  36. Ashish Says:
    Here’s a list of all Official Maharashtra Government Websites. Link for RoF is not there. No help from Google as well. So I think RoF doesn’t have a website.
    http://www.maharashtra.gov.in/english/webRing/webRingAll.php

    Regards.

    Ashish.

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