I can’t be bothered with anything these days, but shrug. I just don’t have anything to say recently.

G’night

Second, you are assuming that all upper caste people are rich and have got admited only by paying capitation fees!

There are plenty of them even below poverty line! What about them? Capitation fees must have been paid by 0.1% (or even less) of people and who knows their caste? They may be upper or lower caste people! Not all lower caste people are poor and not all upper caste people are rich!

My one acquaintance is just one example. There are plenty of such students who have missed out even after working so hard. It is a grave injustice to them! Finances are not the only criteria for being able to perform better in exams! There are plenty of students who study at night in public places under street lights or government libraries where entry is free! Are all of them lower caste people because they don’t have resources?

If lower caste can beat us I will be really happy! We should provide them with the facilities to learn the game and not declare them winners without competition just because they are born in a particular caste!

If not caring about what other coutries do is selfish upper caste mentality, then trying to win, without deserving it, even at the cost of other more deserving people is the hallmark of lower caste mentality which is pampered by vote bank politics!!

upper castes who are economically well off have been taking advantage of reservations themselves for over a decade now, by payinng capitation fees. Suprising that your concern for stds hasnt extended there.

who cares about your one insane acquainntance, when there are millions of deprived out there, who have been kept out of the mainstream by upper caste governements and neglect of the primary education system leading to lower castes not being able to compette on merit?

upper castes like you and me dont have a reservation on ability and merit. The lower castes can beat us in our own game, if provided an opportunity.

You might not care what other countries are doing. Obviously, choosing only what suits selfish interests is the hallmark of upper caste mentality.

More than the so called forward casts, backward casts are trying to take undue advantage of their caste and birth. All that everyone wants is MERIT to be the criteria for admission to professional level courses! Is that being selfish? Do backward class people feel that they have no chance on merit? Is that why they want reservation based on their birth? In a way, reservations are not good even for the backward classes. Soon they will be at the receiving end of jokes.

What happens when someone with 90% is sitting outside a college while someone with 50% is inside there simply because of his birth? Why play with someone’s life who has toiled so hard to earn those marks!!

If backward classes are deprived, there are other means of providing for them. Why fool around with the quality of professionals? I agree backward class should not wait for any more time for government to improve their condition. They should start with it on their own! They should start making an attempt.

And to hell with what other countries do! It doesn’t make reservation a good thing! In that sense Taliban did a lot things which we will never do! So there is no point in what other countries are doing.

I am not alone in anti-reservation stands. There are many more and simply because I disagree with you and your pro-reservation stand does not mean I don’t know my facts. Forget about those statistics on papers. I have seen someone going insane because he lost admission in medicine just by 1 (one) mark!! And he was the only son of a widow mother!

I advise you to read up on any credible stats on economic inquities in our country. These are alligned to caste structure and the lower castes are much many times worse off than higher castes. No one is saying higher castes do not suffer from economic pressures, at all ( and so educational constraints..) , but only that statistically, lower castes are many many time worse off. This is all proven and there is no doubt about it (pl do visit any good library).

I brought the question of marks , once people get in, because many people say that backward castes routinely get lower marks once they join a course…but thats digressing a bit.

That the Govt. is collecting tax and doing nothing with it to improve the very real constraints faced by backward castes is true and i agree completely that this needs to be tackled with highest priority. But the backwards castes will NOT wait (SHOULD not wait) for another 50 yrs for the Govt. to improve their educational facilities for them to join the mainstream (if the Govt. does that in 50 yrs that is !).

After all who was this Govt., for much of the last 50 years, who have not done anything to remove educational constraints for the majority? Again. PLL check up facts…predominanlty, in any state,or at the centre (except for the last decade when the so called social revolution came post VP singh), our Govts ( and far more so, the bureaucracy) have been dominated by Upper castes.

Reservations for the socially backward is NOT a concept invented by Indian politicians. It is being practiced even in the USA-, affirmative action occurs in school admissions, job hiring, and government and corporate contracts. Its intended beneficiaries are ethnic minorities, women, people with disabilities and veterans (which economically better off upper castes in India are sooo intent on copying in every other sphere). USA universities have had resevrations-positive affirmation- for decades. How come their stds are still to aspire for? It is a recorded fact that resevration in USA universities are the single most biggest factor is reducing social inequity in the States ad had it not been for that, things would have been muchmuch worse no that front there. There would have been no Obama (possible presidental cadidate, or a Condy Rice) without this system.

For your kind info, other countries who practice resevrations on one parameter or the other are Belgium, brazil, brunei,china, france,germany, greece, Indonesaia, japan,macedonia, malaysia, new zealand, nrway, phillipines, slovakia, s.africa, turkey and the U.K. Looks like hald educated Indian politicians know more about the world than our upper caste middle class who argue only from a self interest standpoint.

And as for vote bank politics, let me remind you that we are a democracy. Middle classes and upper castes routinely praise democracy when it suits them. What you call as Vote bank politics is the will of the people. Why are politicians passing such laws? BECAUSE the socially backward are fed up wth their economic and social status after 50 yrs (you wont understand what these conditions are by staying in a metro, my friend). Let me also remind you that ALL parties and ALL MP’s have supported this reform. So if you have a problem with that, you will have to boycott Indian political process not just one party ( as some reader wants to do above) and probably emigrate! But pl dont go to the USA and countries listed above, since they have similar policies, in one respect or another : )

One more thing. Your articles on tech., taxations are most helpful. Because you have doe your research. Sadly same cannnot be said of articles such as these on Social politics. You have no inkling as to what the realities are in the REAL india.

Let me also clarify, that I myself an an upper caste and my family has been denied admissions by very close margins to prof. courses, due to reservations. Despite this, almost my entire family supports them- not because we are saints but because we recognize we are much more fortunate economically and we realize its not a race of equals in which we are competing.

I pray that our selfish upper caste middle class think more than’ I, me, myself’ and appreciate what the real state of the country is rather than participate in drunken stupors on we marching towards Superpower, merit or the lack of it , competition, and such like.

If there are not enough facilities for some people, then those facilities should be created. Government is collecting 2% education cess (i.e. at least 6,000 crores per year) since last two years. Let government provide those facilities from that fund.

Additionally do you think facilities are missing only for backward class? What struggle and constraints are you talking about? Even so called higher castes are struggling for so many things. If reservation is justified due to economic reasons and facilities then the same should be provided even to higher casts who do not have them!!

Reservations are nothing more than vote politics and many people from SC/ST/OBC are more than willing to be a part of it because it is in their favour!!

- not all backward caste entrants drop out. some do,the rest pass or do well or better than others!

- in any case, B.C’s predominantly have to struggle agsinst huge constraints to get good education. So its not a battle of equals.

- USA universities have positive affimration since decades now for minorities. Nobody accuses them of having low stds and upper caste peop[le frm india still run to these universities to study! : )

- what about economically strong sections (predominantly upper caste, of course) paying capitation fees (another form of reservation)? That doesnt downgrade stds? Strange logic!

There is an alternative which the government is conveniently ignoring. Since last 2-3 years, government is collecting 2% as education cess on all taxes. The collection of cess was over 6,000 crores and the worst part is that it remained unutilised!

I think the government can utilise these funds and start making separate schools/colleges for SC/ST/OBC. Admission can be open only to them. So those who miss the bus on merit can still try their luck. At least there won’t be frustration among those who deserve sits on merits. Additionally, drop out rates will reduce.

http://in.news.yahoo.com/060610/211/64yv5.html

i personally think that rather than making an RDB remake or killing a politician, the matter should be dealt in a different way.

I think all the educated in india should form an alliance like these shameless ministers do, make an educated party alliance. EPA

Ask for the vote and support for only the educated in India.

Atleast the educated would vote you. we guys don’t go for voting, that’s the reason our demands are not been listened by anyone.

the striking doctors should form a political alliance, you guys are only so much into media now, and you have got public sympathy. the educated, the doctors, middle class, and atleast the family and friends of poor general category would vote for you.

say openly, we don’t need vote for uneducated and SC/BC. but all we need is vote of everyone in the country who thinks there is a need of change.

ask them to caste vote to you, be popular, ask for other political parties to join you and tumble this UPA governement.

If you need a support, if you need a person to stand up and speak in front of media and a politician, you can call me always.

Let’s not shed blood, but make this country a world best country.

let all the MBA’s, CA’s, Doctors, Journalist’s, Scientist’s and Biotechnologist’s combine and join their hands together. call everyone, call everyone, even the average Joe Scott working in a call center in Gurgaon.

Imagine, a political party where everyone is educated, a country where all the politician is educated and motivated towards upliftment of society.

this step would shake the politicians to their core and would make them go bending down to their knees, to save their scared asses.

many industrialists and ministers too, would support and fund your cause, once you ask for funding crores from india would pour to support your cause, since everyone would see you as future ministers.

wake up guys, do something.

regards

sagar dhingra

Read the articles from Human Rights Solidarity
http://www.hrsolidarity.net/mainfile.php/2004vol14no05/2376/

All I C is personal anger & frustration….non want to sacrifice for better future.

Well its Ur Country & UR Future…

49% of people are socially backward
(Discrimination against India’s lowest Hindu castes is technically illegal. But try telling that to the 160 million Untouchables, who face violent reprisals if they forget their place.)

Do U think U have better reason to be aggressive.
The only thing is that the deprived people haven’t revolted violently.
Probably they don’t know what social equality is.

The Illusion of social equalities exists in cities….try walking through a rural village (Identifier UR self as lower-cast) & U know why reservation is a part of Indian Constitution.

We have been on Summer Training in Indian Social System (One of our subject in management)…(Identified as Lower cast) as our lecture told us U need to walk in there shoe to understand.
No one will give U water if Ur dying.